Friday, September 26, 2008

Surely there is a line we won't cross....

See bottom for links to some of my sources...



How is this OK? How can we continue to rationalize this happening to the least of these? I believe there is a lot of grey in this world and you will find me very accepting of different views. Still though- surely we can see there is a line- there is right and wrong in this world. There is good and evil. Can anyone see it anymore? Can anyone truly believe this is good- this is OK? There are some things I have a hard time keeping quiet about... Angel


NOTE: I am generally very careful about what I put on this blog. I would not want to put info on here that is not accurate. I did my best to research this subject thoroughly before making my decision. As many sources will state- the large difference of opinion comes in whether we believe that a baby is capable of living with medical care once outside the womb. I believe that a baby born with any signs of life is entitled to medical care. Here are just a couple of the sources I used as I researched this issue... if you want to find out more about the ability of premature babies to live with medical care then I encourage you research it and make and informed decision.



FACTCHECK.ORG


NRLC WHITE PAPER

28 comments:

Erica said...

Horrific. Barbaric. Not a solution to the worlds problems. As an advocate for orphans and children this includes the children who are to small to advocate for themselves. I struggle with how any Christ follower can see Mr. Obama as a change for the better. I'm proud of you for posting your heart. To God be the Glory.

Farrah said...

This totally had me bawling...Me as an adoptive parent, as a parent to a child who was biologically born,and as a parent who is dying inside to adopt another newborn, Any way you look at this IT IS WRONG...
I saw the lady in the first video before I think on someone else's blog but it did not show the baby at the end being put on a table and left in the dark!
This makes me sick, And I no way no how see Obama as a change for the better!
I agree people should have a choice but when a child is born alive, Let the child LIVE!!!!!!

Amy said...

Angel- I am so proud of you for speaking up for those with no voice. We HAVE to do this if we call ourselves Christians. It's shocking to me how many Christian friends I have who are voting for Obama. WAKE UP PEOPLE. He's evil disguised in a pretty package. Makes me seriously scared what could happen to our world if we let him into office. Amy

beBOLDjen said...

I was born at Christ Hospital (mentioned int he video) My Grandmother, Mom and two other aunts worked there but had either retired or moved away before this news broke. We were astonished and horrified that those things could take place under our noses, so to speak. It a very important topic, one we can't afford to ignore. Thanks for sharing clips these Angel.

Anonymous said...

Angel Face, I read the above responses...when I read beholdje's words "We were astonished and horrified that those things could take place under our noses..." I thought of what we were told when going to see the concentration camp in Dachau, Germany. That the people that lived in the town near the camp had NO idea what was happening in the camp...they were horrified and shocked! We need to be horrified! I am praying. God called you Angel to pray and intercede for the abused children all around the world when you were 12 yrs old. This call is the same and the cry is the same...the cry being the Heart of God for the least of these....in His eyes...God's own creation...a baby ... a miracle of life.
I love you and my heart cries out with you.
MIa Momma

Flamingo Mama said...

i agree...pro choice is one thing, but this crap is beyond that. (not to be confused...i am a pro lifer;)

The Engelhardt 4 said...

Holy cow!! I am so bawling right now...this is absolutely horrible!! I agree with Amy, thank you so much for standing up for these who can't speak for themselves.

I couldn't even watch the debate tonight because just hearing Obama's voice makes me nauseous and gets me angry. And I can't even look at him...this just shows me his TRUE evilness.

I find it amazing that we have people who will do and fight for animals more than they will fight for a baby...why has this world gone so far from GOD?

Blessings and bring ALL those unwanted babies to my apartment...we can make it work for a month or so...love and hugs.

KrisJ said...

WOW Im SHOCKED and horrified! I had no idea this went on NO idea. Thank you for sharing.

Kelli said...

This is horrible!!! As Christians we have to ban together and get this out. I pray that Obama is not elected, and if he is Lord help all of us. This is especially so hard for all of us adoptive moms that have worked so hard to have children. My heart is aching for all these little babies that are just left to die. I have a precious 2 month old right now laying in his bassinet sleeping. How can any of these people have hearts that are doing this? Adoption is the way and it is up to us to get the word out. I am like the lady above bring the babies to our home. The Lord will provide. I am just in complete awe that this is happening.

Christine said...

I would like to lovingly correct all of this information.

First for more details, please check out www.putawayfalsehood.com

You can find accurate information on this subject, as well as many of the other slanderous things currently flying around the internet. As Believers, we need to actively be fighting to "put away falsehood."

As a follower of Christ, and someone with a history in journalism, I would also encourage you to watch the Documentary "Outfoxed." It is currently available to watch on www.freedocumentaries.com

FOX is misleading. They have no journalistic integrity. If they have a slant to their reporting they should be extremely open about it - yet they are not. They are very deceptive. There are no laws in place to require them to do such a thing. So ... they don't!

On the initial subject: something else that is very interesting is to really study HOW we can decrease abortions. I encourage you to read this report: http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/files/CACG_Final.pdf

Geeez, I sound like "that teacher" that gives out way too much homework every night! ha! My big point is that if it seems outrageous, we should investigate before sharing.

Alicia said...

Thank you so much Angel. Many are praying for our nation and her future. I received an email this week seeking all Christians to pray in unity at a particular time (according to your time zone). See my blog for the details. Prayer and witness are our greatest tools. We are His voice and His hands here on Earth.
God Bless,
Alicia

Amanda said...

Dear Angel,

Thank you for your post. I admire your heart and your actions for the "least of these."

The first video was very interesting. And indeed, heartbreaking. If everything in the video were absolutely true, then yes, I do not see how anybody could vote for Obama. Essentially, it would be voting for holocaust.

From my point of view, however, I do not believe that Obama supports letting babies die alone in a dark room. I believe there has to be "more to the story." I do not believe the words of the nurse who supposedly cares so much for these dying babies. Why, then, is she working in an abortion clinic in the first place? Secondly, I have a hard time taking seriously a video made by nohussein.org, an organization capitalizing on Barack's middle name.

I am a Christian, and I support Obama. I do not think he is evil, but I do think that many shrewd organizations have done a genius job of painting him so. If Obama really voted to give these vulnerable babies no medical support, then I would be the first to say that Obama is indeed "evil." And, of course, I would not vote for him. But I do not believe this is the case.

Matthew25.org is a website for a community of CHristians who also support Obama. These Christians believe that Obama is indeed concerned for "the least of these." On this website, there is a link to "PutAwayFalsehood," which reveals the "rest of the story" about Obama's voting records.

I love you, Angel. SO Much. I love reading your blog!!! Your heart shines through so beautifully. Thank you for opening an important conversation.

Wendi said...

as a momma who has watched four amazing babies be born and know what those first minutes are like, I am speechless in tears. God save our nation.

Cayle said...

I tend not to understand what is on anyones mind who believe any of this is right. I find it hard to believe that someone could just watch that happen and not say a word. It hurts me deeply to know people out there will just throw away someone that god gave them but it hurts even more when the gift trys its best to survive. after being "thrown" away and people just let it be.


i do not understand.



your amazing for standing up angel.

GDS said...

Awful, just awful.
I've voted for pro-choice candidates before and don't consider myself a single issue voter. I've never been comfortable calling pro-choicers "anti-life". I believe most of them truly do want to reduce the number of abortions. I believe most of them truly are focussed on the rights of the woman. I disagree - but I do accept their sincerity.

But this? This is not just disgusting. This is barbarism, this is clearly not about life and choice - this is about death. This is about deciding that an entire category of people are expendable.

Anyone who thinks he is just a typical pro-choice candidate is misinformed.

This must be stopped.

Scott and Carolyn said...

Thanks for posting this Angel. Gianna came to speak at our church recently and she was amazing!! She was one of the most inspiring people I've ever heard. If you ever get the chance to hear her speak her testimony and life story, please go!

As for all of this, sometimes I cannot figure out which candidate to vote for...but abortion is abortion and it is wrong. I hate that this happens. There are so many families out there that want these precious babies!

Melinda said...

I saw this same video recently and was horrified as well. As you have found out by the comments already here, the Obama supporters do not want to here this and do not agree that he does indeed support it. The fact is he did vote against banning this procedure. Do I think he agrees with the horrid way the babies are dying, maybe, maybe not, but either way IT IS WRONG!! The left will arguee that "what if the mom is in danger" well how many times has that actually happened? I would say rarely ever. This is a huge, huge issue and like other's have said, I don't know how someone like Obama who claims to be a Christian can think this is ok in any way. I find it very scary to think this man could be the president of our country. Someone who does not view ALL life as sacred. All I can do is make sure I am educated on the issues at hand with each candidate and pray, pray, pray. Thankfully The Almighty God is in control!
Thanks for putting yourself out there and standing up for those who have no voice.
Melinda

darbishar said...

Christine and Amanda thank you for putting my thoughts into words so eloquently. And thank you for the links :)

DJ Holly Rock said...

I am an Obama supporter and I am going to have to agree with Christine and Amanda, as well. There is not much bad to say about Obama and I think some organizations are taking this story and running with it. I agree that there definitely must be more to the story.

Andrea said...

I have seen this on other sites, and I think there's definitely something slanted about it. There are more questions raised in my mind about who is producing it, than what it's about. That's never a good thing.

I am undecided about who to vote for. It is my understanding that McCain is against abortion EXCEPT in cases where the mother's life is at risk, or in extreme cases, such as incest or rape. Isn't that still supporting abortion? It's Palin that is taking the hard-line stance on abortion. But, unless she gets into office through McCain, he still has the final say. So, I'd caution everyone against "McCain good, Obama bad" when it comes to abortion. There's no black or white for any candidate.

Anonymous said...

Angel, Thank you so much for bringing this all to light. I have to disagree with Obama supporters who think he is all about doing this country good. I could go on and on about all the bad that has been proven but the biased media seems to overlook about this man. Some liberal people think Fox is slanted or biased, but I think they are the only ones that tell all sides! There are people on there all the time that are extreme left and a lot of dem views, but they are the only ones to tell the WHOLE story. I do think it is great that people on here are being civil about disagreeing. There are so many liberal blogs, and it does NOT feel comfortable to disagree, because you will be hunted down and chewed up if you do, it is good to see the other side! As a Christian, I am very concerned about this election, I have listened watched and read as much as I can from all sources and I really think you have to spend a LOT of time to become really really aware of politics and you also have to have the interest to be really educated on it to make an informed decision. Unfortunately, most people dont have the time to become that educated on it and just believe whatever the main media channels throw at them. I am praying hard for this country and holding my breath that things go the right way, but it is really scary! But thanks for informing on some of the things we wont ever hear from the media!!

Jana

Darlene said...

Thank you, Angel.

Darlene

and for you, my courageous friend, should you come under attack... and doubt your bravery:

14If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. -1 peter 4:14

13when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world. 1 Cor 4:13

Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
-Gal 1:10

ale said...

Angel,

As someone seeing the United States from outside, I find myself more and more perplexed at how so many people accept stories like these as matter-of-fact...Ask any non-American what they think of Fox News and they will say it is no news!! Also, I am also baffled by what Americans call the "far left." My limited knowledge of American politics and my fairly wider knowledge of world politics tells me that the real American "far left" is such a minority that it has no weight on any issues.

I know you are a smart girl and I can't wait to read your comments once you have checked the actual facts.

I stand amazed at the sheer reject of so many Christians towards Obama and I pray that political manipulation isn't making its way to churches across this country. I also wonder, as an anthropologist, what else lies behind this vitriolic reaction to him. No one can say it is this particular reason and I also pray that there is not some ugly -ism or -phobia behind it. No Christian should!

Anonymous said...

Angel,

I have been reading your blog for awhile now! I have never posted before though!

Thank you so very much for bringing this to your blog. I know it must have not been easy!

I think many people are deceived through our media outlets about what Obama is really about. Thank you so much for bringing this to light!!!

I shutter to think what will happen if Obama gets elected!

Thanks again!

Wife to the Rockstar said...

I am SO glad you are talking about this. Be a light for Jesus!

GDS said...

To those urging us to dig deeper and get the real facts about this issue. The concern here is that when faced with the choice to protect them, Obama essentially voted no.

I'm be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume there's more to the story. In fact, he was afforded exactly that in a chance to address the issue head on, and his only excuse was about the language of the bill. He said that he would have voted for the federal version that passed unanimously because it contained Roe V Wade protection.

In fact, the language of both bills was virtually identical to start. Then, a proposed amendment corrected a slight wording difference that made it 100% identical. Obama voted against it, then killed the bill anyway. You see, we have done the research.

Here is a good objective piece done on the story.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=E73&q=obama%20above%20my%20pay%20grade&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=E73&q=obama%20above%20my%20pay%20grade&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv&start=40

There's a lot of politicking around this. But all Obama has to do to diffuse it is to admit that he was wrong and state clearly that he is against the practice. Perhaps the debated will afford him yet another opportunity to do so.

That all said (sorry Angel - this is getting too long). The prospect of an Obama presidency does not scare me like it does other folks. I won't vote for him, but but I don't know why he's being so stubborn and extreme on this one issue.

Camnamie said...

For me - this all comes down to character. It's not okay to say one thing and then the opposite at another time in another place. That is not character. If you are passionate about something and believe something strongly your heart is not going to accidently slip. Our country is sliding downward morally and I believe that Obama will further that slide. I cannot vote for someone who will push us futher away from the values that our God and our Bible and Jesus Christ command of us. I've read all the other responses and I spent some time on Matthew 25.org to see what they had to say. The problem is that the are using that ONE scripture about taking care of the least of these (which I agree is incredibly important) but you can't inforce that scripture and ignore all the rest. God is more marriage. He is against homosexuality and is against abortion. He does not think that having a child is a punishment. Here are 2 Obama quotes that came from Obama heart:

"Ive got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

"I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying."

I just don't understand how Christian people can go along with a man who makes these kind of statements.

Carolyn T said...

Just needed to share on this...I gave birth to a 24 week 1 pound baby at Christ Hospital, where Jill Stanek is referring to...I have had the privilege of meeting Jill S. twice........The 3 months that my child was in the hospital...I DAILY thought of the fact that while he struggled for his life and was being helped in one unit, that down the hall, the atrocities that Jill was referring to were likely happening.....There is NO mistaking what Barrack Obama finds acceptable in this area...a 4 time record of votes speaks for itself....This topic is SO close to home to me....and I am thankful for your boldness on this topic! For the record, my child had a Grade3 bordering on Grade 4 brain hemmorhage...detaching retinas, likely hydrocephalus, Severe lung disease...and supposedly one viable testicle...He is WHOLE...a miracle, no glasses, no signs of his sustained brain damage...AND 2 working nuts!!Has never shown the effects of his brain damage....We were given the option of not intervening because he was generally considered hopeless and would have severe issues...THIS is the outcome when we let God be GOD!! HOW can we trust him to take on seriously the issues of orphans when he lets the very foundation of life have NO value...much less a cruel death...This isn't even pro-choice....this is pro torture...of the LEAST of these...
Care